[Music] well people it seems like every time I say stay tuned for this next podcast because it’s going to be amazing um it’s true when I say it but to date thus far you are about to see I think you are about to hear um the most remarkable podcast that we’ve had uh since we’ve been together so um sit down listen up because you’re about to be blown away real life presents the Jack hibs podcast with intention and boldness to Proclaim truth equip the Saints and impact our culture today if this podcast lifts you

up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings to us that’s like saying amen or yes then that rating will encourage others to listen now open your hearts to what God’s word has to say to you here is Jack hibs Hedy mammati has a national security career spanning over two decades serving as a senior adviser to FBI headquarters a political officer in the US Embassy in Afghanistan and a visiting scholar to some of Washington DC’s most prominent

think tanks Miram miti also serves as general counsel to a healthc care services Enterprise generating over $3 million in annual revenue managing legal and administrative Affairs for 26 employees across five Service locations a member of the association for threat assessment professionals atap she has held top secret sensitive compartmented information tssci clearance with a Counter Intelligence C polygraph while working as a contractor for the Federal Bureau of Investigation FBI from 2015 to 2017 during this time she provided

subject matter expertise to develop a FBI program aimed at preventing terrorism particularly for individuals with social emotional disturbances and collaborated with field agents intelligence analysts and local law enforcement to implement a pilot program across 10 FBI field offices as the founder president and general Council of the world Organization for resource development and education word Miram miti transformed the organization from its Inception into a trusted Federal partner in terrorism and violence

prevention her leadership resulted in securing millions of dollars in US government grants to create the first evidence-based Coalition of over 300 public and private Partners focused on public safety and terrorism prevention a model replicated in several us jurisdictions she developed training content and provided in-person instruction to over 1,000 Law Enforcement Officers public health workers and community members across more than a dozen jurisdictions introducing Innovative behavioral threat assessment tools and protocols to assess

risk of suicidal or homicidal violence additionally she established the first nationally recognized Social Services Agency dedicated to assisting atrisk immigrant families serving over 100 families Miram miti has briefed senior us officials including former vice president Cheney President Obama members of Congress and Senior leaders of intelligence agencies such as the Director of National Intelligence and the FBI she has also testified before the US House of Representatives and Senate on issues related to National

Security her experience extends to influential think tanks where she served as a visiting fellow at the Washington Institute for near East policy Stein program on counterterrorism and intelligence authoring policy briefs and organizing forums that included White House officials and law enforcement at the American Enterprise Institute she manag programs on political Islam and Global Security publishing research and hosting policy forums in 2004 she served as a senior adviser at the US Embassy in cabal Afghanistan where she provided

expertise on creating community-based programs to counter islamist extremist recruitment Miram miti holds a jurist doctorate from the University of Southern California G School of Law and a Bachelor of Arts and history from UCLA she is a licensed member of the C California State Bar the District of Colombia bar and the American Bar Association as founder and president of resurrect Ministry she created a non-denominational digital Christian platform to promote spiritual engagement and healing through an online experience

she also serves on the board of the California parent Alliance providing legal council to support educational initiatives that protect public school children from harmful ideologies and mandates her extensive publication record includes numerous articles and co-authored reports on counterterrorism community resilience and policy strategies to counter violent extremism featured in prestigious journals and government reports so HED in light of that introduction that everybody just heard which was no no light thing

God’s use in your life has been amazing in light of your exposure and what you do today what would you say has been the most powerful transformative moment of your life um since Christ got a hold of you oh there’s been a lot but if I had to consider the one that has been most relevant in light of my professional experience and all the things that I went through was that the Lord wanted me to see every one of those examples and live all of those experiences because they’d be part of my testimony moving forward uh I’ll

never forget my editor at the Christian Post told me when I was just writing about my conversion experience she’s like will you please draw on your political experience and your your National Security experience and I was like really why is that interesting and she’s like Eddie it’s who you are the Lord wants to use all of it and it occurred to me she was exactly right so uh that’s been the most transformative is realizing that the Lord wanted all of it that’s powerful because and I love

what you just said because the fact of the matter is uh God Wast Nothing in life he Wast nothing even you know even the person that has gone through the most difficult things whatever you can think of and and I in a collective sense I’ll say something like you know if you’ve had a a Cory tin Boon kind of life where tortured by the Nazis imprisoned by the Nazis and captured by the Nazis and all this kind of stuff and then her life turns out to be an incredible witness for Christ that kind of stuff there’s so much hope in that

and we’ll get to Hope before we before we end the program but there are people in the National Security Services or International Security Services or military services that uh there’s they’re not being reached there’s just not a podcast or an individual that they feel like they can um even listen to or hear from because you just won’t understand but uh let’s start out with with your career God God you knowingly or unknowingly at the time for you God had you uh in some amazing places so

what what was the first uh what was your first gig so to speak my first gig was as an FBI informant so I was researching Islamic extremism in the mid90s and they didn’t have any internal knowledge about what was going on in the Muslim Community at that time and so I basically was kind of offsite used as an informant to help them to help educate the FBI on the different groups Imon isahi Bin Laden’s number absolutely number one guy uh was fundraising in San Francisco yeah course and so we were recruiting kid you know

they uh they were recruiting kids for Bosnia to go fight in Bosnia to fight in Afghanistan oh yeah right yeah so it was Mo most people so I’m so sorry so sorry so this is happening in the US yes while is this before Gulf War I this is 1995 oh 95 okay okay 95 got it okay so it’s before 911 of course before even the Tanzania bombings and the reason I got involved in it is because my first entree to Islam was with an extremist mosque and I hated it I wanted nothing to do with it so when I became devout I

fell into Sufi Islam which is a mystical sect and they were in a knockout drag out war with the extremists because what a lot of people don’t realize is that before they came to attack the West they were massacring sufis all over the world because in order to create the fertile ground for jihadism to lay root they had to remove the cultural normative Islam they had to remove the goofy Islam remove ah they had to remove all the goofy cultural practices the ones that were just kind of melded with Hinduism

and Atheism and other kinds of pagan practices w that remove that whole thing in order to plant a new Jihadi ideal because what they’re not they’re not fundamental enough they’re not purist enough they’re not and they this the jihadist interpretation of the Quran was very extreme most people didn’t want to live like that most of the women in Iran and in Egypt and and Turkey were not covered they didn’t even were hair head covers I have no picture of my grandmother with sleeves really yes

because they were modern they wanted to just have Islam as it was similar to the way Judaism is with you know we just keep the Sabbath and we have these cultural practices but that’s it but you yeah we’ve got the dinner and the engagement and the Gaya and when the kids get married they put this thing on their head like that’s the same thing it was and they had to destroy that and so I wanted to investigate how this was happening in the United States why would a kid who grew up in the United States

want to go get his leg blown off in Bosnia what what would motivate him to do that and and so that’s how I started to learn and it’s funny because when I’m out there investigating the FBI there’s these two agents who come out like whatat are you doing and I said so you doing this on your own or were you on my own totally on my own and they’re like what are you doing cuz they saw me everywhere they saw me the places they were and they said to me and I said well what are you doing and good good answer

especially now more than ever and that literally started me on this trajectory because they really knew nothing they had no internet we had um the internet they only had an intranet so they had no access to the outside world yes and uh eventually I end up moving to DC and that relationship with the FBI continues and after the Tanzania bombing there was a lot of interaction with the state department because I was considered one of the good Muslims and then after 9911 I was a I was a rockstar because I was doing it before it was

cool and I ended up going to Afghanistan for President Bush and then uh when I got back it was basically just a number of contracts defense department Homeland Security the Department of Justice basically how do we defeat radicalization the most interesting thing looking back and this is really not only uh with in great part by you opening my eyes but the Lord really uh redoing my understanding the only other person I’ve heard talk about this is Tucker Carlson where he’s like I used to love my government I don’t know

what happened I don’t know when I stopped believing that they were telling me the truth and so I worked 20 years in every branch of the US government under five presidents and I kept thinking are they just stupid like are we doing this on purpose are we destroying countries on purpose and we’re like no no no they’re just they’re just too dumb or they’re secular they’re atheists they just don’t get it and as this Machinery keeps moving it’s too big to shift people used to say it’s like the Titanic

it’s too big to shift sink it yeah so so basically what we were doing so after 2005 after the invasion of Iraq I literally sat in in meetings where they were rebuilding Iraq before we invaded on a sheet of paper like you have with boxes that said okay um Ron Johnson he’s going to take Department of Education uh Sam he’s going to take Department of energy like implant Americans that were going to run these major institutions in Iraq can you pause keep your thinking yes I sat in my house and I watched

the uh 911 thing unfold and obviously troubled by that but then when I began to hear and as far as I know hadia I was was the only person in my circle that was thinking this way I was looking at the TV I was hearing the speeches about what we were going to do and look evil should be punished I get that stuff but uh there were aspects of Saddam Hussein that you know it’s kind of like we know this bad guy the evil that you know exactly better than the one that you don’t and uh years ago you might remember I’m afraid I might ruin

his name but George George Sada George uh he was the George last name is s a d he lives in America now but he was Saddam Hussein’s uh Chief military oh okay he was like the TK uh haziz or whoever yes well on the military side General George Sada was was this guy and he was a Christian and Saddam Hussein uh tolerated him as a Christian because he he so respected George point is George Sada point is this is I became disgusted when I was listening to uh I don’t mean to upset you with your previous boss but I’m I’m listening

to what to me felt like a country bumpkin as president talk about how we are going to uh make IR rocket a democracy and I’m thinking do you know any history at all in your life is there anyone around you George Bush that that can tell you that this is a nation that for thousands of years has been led by a certain way they’re not interested in democracy this is not you’re thinking like a Westerner George there’s so many of us I was shocked there was so many of us that sat there in those rooms begging

them did you begging them not to do this because it was going to fail the most important reason was they took sunnis who were in power 300,000 what we called baist and unemployed them on day one and then installed a bunch of Shia thinking that the Shia would be moderate yeah and and me in particular kept telling why would you think that Iran’s next door mm don’t you understand the shat of Iraq will Unite with the Shia of Iran and everybody kept saying to me excuse me the expression but all the white people

kept saying no they won’t they hate each other and I was like you don’t understand the way Islam works and we did not understand we really didn’t and those 300,000 bists turned into Isis and destroyed all the neighboring regions and they turned into the the worst terrorism movement that we’ve ever seen and that still continues till today but we didn’t stop there yeah after after Iraq we had all of the Revolutions in the Middle East the Middle East Uprising the Arab Spring where everyone’s like Oh

Glory there yeah which I’m curious what do you think about this I it’s my it’s my chronology in my head when I saw Barack Obama’s Cairo speech it’s my opinion that that Cairo speech by Barack Obama gave birth to the spring do you see any connection to that it sounded like he was saying peace Liberty Freedom go make it happen and shortly after that there was these almost what what do you want to call them uh Instagram uh uh Twitter uh GA we’ll meet you know meet us in the Square it happened in in Algeria and

Morocco in or Egypt it’s happening everywhere surprise you to you see any correlation would it surprise you to know we planned all of those we spent decades with usaid money and George Soros and open Society opening those countries that didn’t happen overnight we literally invested billions of dollars to promote democracy so that’s why I started with 2005 because from 2005 all the way up to the 2011 moment we built the opposition that’s what we do and when I was in it I didn’t realize that’s what we were doing even

though I was involved in almost every project so I went to go visit mumar Gaddafi because he was reaching out to the moderates and asking how this before they kicked him out right yeah yes but this is post of course it’s post Ronald Reagan’s email or air mail that got to his home Gaddafi right the B this is 2008 so now he was he was the somewhat quiet Gaddafi yes and he was trying to come back into the mainstream because they were afraid they were going to kill him yes he was reaching out legit so he was

reaching out to moderates famous moderates that would help him um enter back into the world stage to legitimize himself and he personally told me I am not an extremist I hate these jihadists this is not how I intend to run my country makes total sense and then what did we do we pulled him out you know we we we pulled out we we destroyed Libya tunia all of those countries and at the time it was this the public version of the story was we wanted democracy to bloom we wanted we wanted these people to be free if they were free they

wouldn’t hate us and I traveled around the world for the state department saying you know is this working and you know what it wasn’t working you know why cuz we destroyed their society and we caused Mass immigration Mass migration of people the people my parents came in the mid-60s to United States why cuz my father wanted to be an American but these people were not coming because they wanted to be Americans their countries were destroyed MH and the state department was paying Refugee resettlement agencies $2,500 a pop to

bring them into this country and put them into settlement zones oh boy I saw that in Europe in person in the United States we yeah Minnesota’s a settlement zone why do we have so many Somali in in Minnesota so true so this Mass migration of communities that hate the West they attribute the destruction of their societies to us yeah and so what happens when these societies Clash that’s what we’re seeing in Europe that’s what we’re seeing in London yeah is that it’s gotten to a boiling point where we’re

forcing these cultures together and they don’t want to be together they don’t want to be together no way I used to travel to London at least four or five times a week we were funded by the prevent program that um Tony Blair had set up to find the moderates to empower the moderates which never worked by the way uh and I couldn’t as a Muslim with a small head cover could not walk the streets of South Hall which is a West End of I know I’ve been to South Hall couldn’t walk there without a male

escort you know it was what Steve Emerson and the old days described as no go zones and everybody screamed at him there are literally that’s what happened to me actually I actually found it by accident I got I I got out of the tube at a wrong stop and and I came up and I was in Another Universe and boy did they in Pakistan did they make sure I got back in the tube and is that tragic it was crazy is that tragic yeah yeah and it’s not and uh to be fair to Muslim communities cuz I I don’t want um to say that it’s it’s all

their fault but it’s this Clash civilizations that we created why that’s what the Lord is constantly walking me through why did the West create this who in the west created this yeah because it seems like we um now when I see the globalists this is stuff I didn’t know when I was in the government but now when I look at the globalist agenda and how the the rise of the left and the islamist Align to the left I realize ah this is an alliance to destroy Christianity christiandom yeah sure that the chaos makes sense allows them to

make order with control now okay you just hit something I’m going way back now 2007 studied a lot of Islam for a couple of years did a did a couple of um did a couple of meetings with members of the state department uh with George no I’m sorry um Philip Haney Philip Haney I don’t think I met him Philip Haney Briget Gabriel sure uh and we were speaking to some members of Congress and um and it was it was remarkable because of the how naive the audience was it was basically this and I I’m I’m I’m making this up

but not really it was basically the attitude of you know what once they go to Disneyland and maybe they’ll buy a surfboard and get an ice cream conb they’re going to love it here there’s not going to be any problems and it was absolutely insane it was like just dangle this thing and they’ll be so enamored by it not knowing that you’re looking at of course they can’t I don’t think the the political realm without God can know this you’re talking about a belief system where Islam Islam is a

Geo yeah it’s a global expansionist mement yeah yeah it is a geopolitical Theocratic World System yes where people will say oh Christians you Christians you want to create a Christian world or a Christian country no we don’t no we can’t wait to get out of here quite frankly it’s Islam with that agenda that is the concern because they believe that they they are called to create this Theocratic uh geopolitical realm um but you can’t tell that to a politician they just won’t listen to you so I kept

thinking when I was doing this over and over and over again that they just didn’t get it they were naive they were um not willing to listen but now I think the motives were a lot more Insidious than I thought you think they knew I think a lot of them knew but there was a lot of money at stake the military industrial complex was giving billions of dollars to rebuild these countries and that money was not going to Afghanistan that money was not going to Libya it was going to our um contractors and NOS to supposedly build that stuff

over there so yes well and so everybody just kept playing dumb and I mean I know it personally because I took some of the money yeah and I kept doing the same thing over and over again and I would joke with my friends I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone I have written the same proposal 15 times and I kept getting funding for it oh wow that’s so government it’s so government but so the Insidious part about it to me is that we were constantly getting it wrong for what ends and and I think there are

people in a room somewhere who have evil motives and that those evil motives are now coming much more obvious meaning if please correct me if I’m wrong hypothetically you’re suggesting that as bad as everything went and H and so illogical and insensitive and ignorant to the Islamic world and their culture and what they stand for and what was what is that we we the West weren’t so dumb after all that there was a Madness uh that was in play but it had there was a method to it and because there was a motive to it and that there

was maybe a handful of people saying boy this is going exactly as we had planned right to the to to the destruction of the West to the destruction of the West which is a judeo-christian influence judeo-christian West yeah and I was listening to this polish I mean a yeah polish parliamentarian I don’t know if you heard him and why when you look at that example why does he not have the problems of the rest of Europe .

1% a lot of our viewers have I can’t first of all I’m sorry I can’t even pronounce the man’s name nether can I but wow but it was he did an interview just just Google awesome awesome poll speaks about borders and I think I wrote his name down chinski cinski uh I wrote it down so that I would remember it but uh so he so basically he was describing that when this this Arab Spring hit actually starting from 2005 um and then after when they created the EU and they were forcing them to take migrants uh refes

he refused he said I’m not’s not going to do this Poland is not taking one and they’re like you’re racist you’re a bigot how could you not take them he’s like I don’t care what you call me we’re not taking them and so to this day their percentage of the Muslim population is 1% that’s right and he says all of the problems that Europe is going and he pays a penalty of I think $35 million a day and he says we’d pay $350 million a day if we had to he says because we will