Lysa Terkeurst on Living in “Worst Case Scenario”, Battling Emotional Trauma & Defining Her Purpose
Lysa Terkeurst on Living in “Worst Case Scenario”, Battling Emotional Trauma & Defining Her Purpose
In this episode of Scan My Brain, Dr. Daniel Amen sits down with Bestselling Author Lysa Terkeurst. Lysa discusses past emotional trauma and physical symptoms she has been experiencing. Dr. Amen reveals Lysa’s SPECT scan results and provides a pathway for healing.
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There’s so many awful things that can happen.
Yes.
That if you predict the worst all the time, it w it’ll wear out your immune system. Yeah.
I The only people should really be predicting the worst all the time or contract wires.
When I look at your history, I just sort of wrote down some things that were important.
So looping thoughts. Tell me about that.
If I get a thought, or usually it’s it’s not a thought that’s originating.
What usually happens is something happens. That I have to think about. So an event will happen.
And I find myself feeling like I can’t settle down until I think this all the way through Sometimes I feel the pressure.
Like, uh, nobody else seems to be worried about this.
So if I don’t worry about it, then Who is?
And so this this pressure of knowing what can happen with worst case scenarios, and no one else is feeling like this could potentially ever play out like a worst case scenario.
But I think because I’ve had so many instances where nobody thought this would be a worst case scenario, and then it was for me.
And I think what I’m trying to do is if this plays out to be another worst case scenario, I wanna go ahead and try to manage the fallout now before it happens so I can sort of brace for impact.
So that’s gonna make you miserable.
Sometimes it makes me feel empowered.
I guess it depends on how and you can do it.
But there’s so many awful things that can happen.
Yes. That
if you predict the worst all the time, It w it’ll wear out your immune system. Yeah.
My The only people should really be predicting the worst all the time are contract warriors They should be protecting you.
But that’s what happens with Trump.
Some physical symptoms, tightness in your throat, shaking hands, sweating, feeling hot, feeling nervous, How often does that happen?
Like, every couple of months, something will happen happen, and either it is a legitimate concern that I feel like this is very legitimate.
I can put my finger on exactly why I’m feeling this way.
Or sometimes it will happen, and I cannot figure out what the source is, or I have to work really hard to figure out why in the world am I feeling this?
And in that scenario, it’s usually because it’s a combination of a bunch of things, and it’s hard to sometimes figure out which one is really driving this feeling right now.
But most times now, it’s when something new is happening, And it’s a situation that’s just completely out of control with the potential to be pretty detrimental if it were to play out for space scenario.
Predicting the worst. How often does that come up?
I feel like it happens often, but it’s a way it’s it’s not something that makes me just sit down and wanna give up.
It’s more, like, predicting the worst so that I can better manage What I might need to do now so that it’s not catastrophic later.
Well, good CEOs are always planning for disaster, creating plans, and then lowering their business.
I have planned a lot of funerals that absolutely never happened. I really have.
Like, if we’re really close, And I try to call you, like, one time, I’m like, they’re busy.
Two times, I’m like, wow, they’re really busy.
Three times, and you’re not answering, I’m like, This feels odd four times. Some things happen five times.
You’re probably not here with us anymore.
And nine times out of 10, they’re still there.
Very much still there. Very they left their phone at home. They they’re very nice.
Try and answer.
Oh. It’s okay. You’ve got four shots before I deem you funeral worthy.
Well, let’s talk about Turbine.
So we do a study called spec that looks at blood flow and activity.
It looks at how your brain works, and we did it twice. I’m really glad we did it twice.
Um, 1 at rest and 1 when you concentrate. Mhmm. And when you concentrate, your brain should activate.
But at rest, it’s too sleepy. So here’s an example of a healthy scan.
So the four of it is on the left. We’re looking at the outside of the surface.
And it should just be full even in symmetrical. On top left, we’re looking underneath the brain just like this.
Uh-huh.
Bottom. Right. We’re looking down from the top and then one side on the other side.
Okay.
And it should just be full, even, and symmetrical. The image is on the right. Color does matter.
Blue as average activity, red and white are the most active parts of the brain, which should be here in the Sarah Ball, and everything else sort of quiet.
We look at your scan. Um, see these holes? Mhmm.
Your frontal lobes are sleepy. It’s too sleepy. And I’m like, why is it sleeping?
Could it have been that concussion you had when you were young?
Could it be the surgeries you had?
Because generalized seizure is not great for your brain. Could it be the sleep apnea?
Those would be my top 3. Mhmm. Uh, we’re gonna fix it.
Okay. That sounds great.
I’d love follow-up scans because if you do what I ask you to do, you get better.
I mean, I’m really confident what we do.
Okay.
If you don’t do what asking to do, probably, if you came to see me 10 years from now, it’d be worse.
That’s not what you want.
Nope. Not what I want
at all. I’m like, which brand do you want? The healthy one or the unhealthy one? Mhmm.
So here, Is your left temporal low? How’s your temper?
I I don’t think that most people would say I have a bad temper.
I think they would say I’m pretty even tempered.
And how about in your head?
I think I’m pretty even tempered until something is really wrong.
Like, when some something is very unfair, um, then in my brain, I can have a whole conversation about how unfair this is.
But I’ll also
But you’re not throwing things.
No. I’m not throwing things.
That’s okay. No. Sometimes when I see this, it can go with temporary issues, but We have to make these stronger.
And then when you concentrate, it gets better, but I wanted better still your left temporal low right here is still less active tonight.
Mhmm. Should be. Could be.
And what is that part of the brain? What is that?
So memory mood stability. Sometimes it can generate anxiety.
Okay.
Now here’s your active one, and your cerebellum is beautiful. You have a great cerebellum.
This is an interesting area called your post your Cigna jarvis goes with IQ.
And it’s the first area that dies in Alzheimer’s disease.
Yours is busy, so you’re not getting Alzheimer’s disease anytime soon.
Oh, so great.
That’s good news. Your anxiety centers are pretty high.
There’s actually a trauma pattern in the brain, and I call it the diamond pattern.
But you don’t have the top of the diamond.
You have the bottom of the diamond, but not the top.
And what
And that may have been the EMDR really helped it. And PTSD has been treated.
Mhmm.
And is not currently active. The thing that’s really active is being anxiety.
Okay. But you said the bottom part is out of the cerebellum. Is that what you said?
The cerebellum’s here. I’m sorry. Let’s do this again. The diamond would be here.
Okay. Got it.
And I think the work you’ve done has really helped out.
Your Cerebellum, which is supposed to be busy and active, is beautiful.
And how does that play out in everyday life?
Sort of the great processor and I was explaining this to your kids.
I know your mom has a great friend.
Your mom’s not getting Alzheimer’s disease, which is really good news for your kids.
She’s a creator because her frontal lobes are a little bit sleepy at rest.
But they’re better when she concentrates.
So she sees the world differently than other people see it, and that’s been really good for you.
Um, but it can give her some challenges with focus and power.
Okay. That’s really good. And then What about on a practical level?
Like, I have no I was worried that you were gonna tell me that I had dementia or something because it feels sport that I had a brain tumor or something.
You know? So it’s really good to know that I don’t have those.
But, Like, when I walk out of a store, no matter how many times I tell myself, this is where, like, this is where when you park, you have to remember you parked your car.
And I go in the store and I walk out. Cannot remember where I started.
Because you didn’t focus on it before you went in the store. Your mind is always elsewhere.
Yes.
Right.
Yes.
And that’s the sleepy furloughs you have. If I give you the supplements, your brain may be better tomorrow.
I mean, that’s sort of the cool thing. We have this MMA fighter.
We scanned, and they had really low frontal lobes. I’m like, no. No. I know this supplements work.
I just didn’t know how fast they work the next day his brain was bad.
Now you had to keep taking them. But let’s let’s hope.
And in the supplements, let me go through them with you.
It’s there’s something called brain and body power. There’ll be two pockets a day.
Multiple vitamins, not any multiple vitamins. It’s got 55 nutrients for your brain.
It’s very powerful.
Fish oil at a high concentration level and a brain boost that works in 6 different ways.
To my NFL formula. You don’t need as many pills as they needed, but it’s 2 packets a day.
They’re 5 pills in each packet. Mhmm. Multiple item and fish oil break.
So you don’t need anything else because I I saw you take athletic greens, period, which is great, but you don’t need it.
So that is gonna help repair your brain.
Okay.
And then happy saffron. Boost your mood and your memory and then feeling just when you feel like I need a correct uh, to calm down the anxiety centers and the probiotic to begin to rescue your microbiome.
Okay. That sounds great.
So another thing I was curious about, I can stand up and I can give a 45 minute talk and not have any notes, and I can clearly see in my mind the they outline and, you know, I may have maybe a sticky note to remind me of a Bible verse, or I’ll have my Bible and I’ll turn to the person, read that out loud, but pretty much, like, I just can do that.
But then remember, like I said, like, walk out into the parking lot and where’s my car and can’t remember it.
So what is the difference between those 2.
Well, one is your highly competent and highly passionate, and this is a skill you have.
Yeah. There’s a detail of the debt.
Okay.
And so it doesn’t surprise me at all.
That you can do that because you’ve done it for how many years have you done that?
Almost 30. Yeah.
So you’re just highly competent.
But I’ve also walked out of stores into the parking lot for
30 years. You have to activate Apple car play because my wife says there’s a way to get it to tell you where your car
This is true. I just need to tap.
Is I activate your frontal lobes. This is your short term memory. Okay.
Although on the test, it was fine.
Mhmm. Okay. That’s good to know.
And then when we talk about trauma and how it affects people’s brain is is my brain the way that it is just because it wouldn’t it would naturally be that way anyways, just from childhood trauma, or is it that the trauma that I’ve experienced in the past 10 years has that done damage?
They stack.
Okay.
But you’ve also done a lot of work. Mhmm.
And the work I published a study on EMDR on soldiers who are involved in shootings, and they’re all developed PTSD because of a and they all were not working.
Average of 8 EMDR sessions, they all worked.
And they had that diamond pattern in their brand and come sit down.
So I think the work you’ve done has been helpful.
Well, good. Thank you. This is really fascinating.
Yes.
That if you predict the worst all the time, it w it’ll wear out your immune system. Yeah.
I The only people should really be predicting the worst all the time or contract wires.
When I look at your history, I just sort of wrote down some things that were important.
So looping thoughts. Tell me about that.
If I get a thought, or usually it’s it’s not a thought that’s originating.
What usually happens is something happens. That I have to think about. So an event will happen.
And I find myself feeling like I can’t settle down until I think this all the way through Sometimes I feel the pressure.
Like, uh, nobody else seems to be worried about this.
So if I don’t worry about it, then Who is?
And so this this pressure of knowing what can happen with worst case scenarios, and no one else is feeling like this could potentially ever play out like a worst case scenario.
But I think because I’ve had so many instances where nobody thought this would be a worst case scenario, and then it was for me.
And I think what I’m trying to do is if this plays out to be another worst case scenario, I wanna go ahead and try to manage the fallout now before it happens so I can sort of brace for impact.
So that’s gonna make you miserable.
Sometimes it makes me feel empowered.
I guess it depends on how and you can do it.
But there’s so many awful things that can happen.
Yes. That
if you predict the worst all the time, It w it’ll wear out your immune system. Yeah.
My The only people should really be predicting the worst all the time are contract warriors They should be protecting you.
But that’s what happens with Trump.
Some physical symptoms, tightness in your throat, shaking hands, sweating, feeling hot, feeling nervous, How often does that happen?
Like, every couple of months, something will happen happen, and either it is a legitimate concern that I feel like this is very legitimate.
I can put my finger on exactly why I’m feeling this way.
Or sometimes it will happen, and I cannot figure out what the source is, or I have to work really hard to figure out why in the world am I feeling this?
And in that scenario, it’s usually because it’s a combination of a bunch of things, and it’s hard to sometimes figure out which one is really driving this feeling right now.
But most times now, it’s when something new is happening, And it’s a situation that’s just completely out of control with the potential to be pretty detrimental if it were to play out for space scenario.
Predicting the worst. How often does that come up?
I feel like it happens often, but it’s a way it’s it’s not something that makes me just sit down and wanna give up.
It’s more, like, predicting the worst so that I can better manage What I might need to do now so that it’s not catastrophic later.
Well, good CEOs are always planning for disaster, creating plans, and then lowering their business.
I have planned a lot of funerals that absolutely never happened. I really have.
Like, if we’re really close, And I try to call you, like, one time, I’m like, they’re busy.
Two times, I’m like, wow, they’re really busy.
Three times, and you’re not answering, I’m like, This feels odd four times. Some things happen five times.
You’re probably not here with us anymore.
And nine times out of 10, they’re still there.
Very much still there. Very they left their phone at home. They they’re very nice.
Try and answer.
Oh. It’s okay. You’ve got four shots before I deem you funeral worthy.
Well, let’s talk about Turbine.
So we do a study called spec that looks at blood flow and activity.
It looks at how your brain works, and we did it twice. I’m really glad we did it twice.
Um, 1 at rest and 1 when you concentrate. Mhmm. And when you concentrate, your brain should activate.
But at rest, it’s too sleepy. So here’s an example of a healthy scan.
So the four of it is on the left. We’re looking at the outside of the surface.
And it should just be full even in symmetrical. On top left, we’re looking underneath the brain just like this.
Uh-huh.
Bottom. Right. We’re looking down from the top and then one side on the other side.
Okay.
And it should just be full, even, and symmetrical. The image is on the right. Color does matter.
Blue as average activity, red and white are the most active parts of the brain, which should be here in the Sarah Ball, and everything else sort of quiet.
We look at your scan. Um, see these holes? Mhmm.
Your frontal lobes are sleepy. It’s too sleepy. And I’m like, why is it sleeping?
Could it have been that concussion you had when you were young?
Could it be the surgeries you had?
Because generalized seizure is not great for your brain. Could it be the sleep apnea?
Those would be my top 3. Mhmm. Uh, we’re gonna fix it.
Okay. That sounds great.
I’d love follow-up scans because if you do what I ask you to do, you get better.
I mean, I’m really confident what we do.
Okay.
If you don’t do what asking to do, probably, if you came to see me 10 years from now, it’d be worse.
That’s not what you want.
Nope. Not what I want
at all. I’m like, which brand do you want? The healthy one or the unhealthy one? Mhmm.
So here, Is your left temporal low? How’s your temper?
I I don’t think that most people would say I have a bad temper.
I think they would say I’m pretty even tempered.
And how about in your head?
I think I’m pretty even tempered until something is really wrong.
Like, when some something is very unfair, um, then in my brain, I can have a whole conversation about how unfair this is.
But I’ll also
But you’re not throwing things.
No. I’m not throwing things.
That’s okay. No. Sometimes when I see this, it can go with temporary issues, but We have to make these stronger.
And then when you concentrate, it gets better, but I wanted better still your left temporal low right here is still less active tonight.
Mhmm. Should be. Could be.
And what is that part of the brain? What is that?
So memory mood stability. Sometimes it can generate anxiety.
Okay.
Now here’s your active one, and your cerebellum is beautiful. You have a great cerebellum.
This is an interesting area called your post your Cigna jarvis goes with IQ.
And it’s the first area that dies in Alzheimer’s disease.
Yours is busy, so you’re not getting Alzheimer’s disease anytime soon.
Oh, so great.
That’s good news. Your anxiety centers are pretty high.
There’s actually a trauma pattern in the brain, and I call it the diamond pattern.
But you don’t have the top of the diamond.
You have the bottom of the diamond, but not the top.
And what
And that may have been the EMDR really helped it. And PTSD has been treated.
Mhmm.
And is not currently active. The thing that’s really active is being anxiety.
Okay. But you said the bottom part is out of the cerebellum. Is that what you said?
The cerebellum’s here. I’m sorry. Let’s do this again. The diamond would be here.
Okay. Got it.
And I think the work you’ve done has really helped out.
Your Cerebellum, which is supposed to be busy and active, is beautiful.
And how does that play out in everyday life?
Sort of the great processor and I was explaining this to your kids.
I know your mom has a great friend.
Your mom’s not getting Alzheimer’s disease, which is really good news for your kids.
She’s a creator because her frontal lobes are a little bit sleepy at rest.
But they’re better when she concentrates.
So she sees the world differently than other people see it, and that’s been really good for you.
Um, but it can give her some challenges with focus and power.
Okay. That’s really good. And then What about on a practical level?
Like, I have no I was worried that you were gonna tell me that I had dementia or something because it feels sport that I had a brain tumor or something.
You know? So it’s really good to know that I don’t have those.
But, Like, when I walk out of a store, no matter how many times I tell myself, this is where, like, this is where when you park, you have to remember you parked your car.
And I go in the store and I walk out. Cannot remember where I started.
Because you didn’t focus on it before you went in the store. Your mind is always elsewhere.
Yes.
Right.
Yes.
And that’s the sleepy furloughs you have. If I give you the supplements, your brain may be better tomorrow.
I mean, that’s sort of the cool thing. We have this MMA fighter.
We scanned, and they had really low frontal lobes. I’m like, no. No. I know this supplements work.
I just didn’t know how fast they work the next day his brain was bad.
Now you had to keep taking them. But let’s let’s hope.
And in the supplements, let me go through them with you.
It’s there’s something called brain and body power. There’ll be two pockets a day.
Multiple vitamins, not any multiple vitamins. It’s got 55 nutrients for your brain.
It’s very powerful.
Fish oil at a high concentration level and a brain boost that works in 6 different ways.
To my NFL formula. You don’t need as many pills as they needed, but it’s 2 packets a day.
They’re 5 pills in each packet. Mhmm. Multiple item and fish oil break.
So you don’t need anything else because I I saw you take athletic greens, period, which is great, but you don’t need it.
So that is gonna help repair your brain.
Okay.
And then happy saffron. Boost your mood and your memory and then feeling just when you feel like I need a correct uh, to calm down the anxiety centers and the probiotic to begin to rescue your microbiome.
Okay. That sounds great.
So another thing I was curious about, I can stand up and I can give a 45 minute talk and not have any notes, and I can clearly see in my mind the they outline and, you know, I may have maybe a sticky note to remind me of a Bible verse, or I’ll have my Bible and I’ll turn to the person, read that out loud, but pretty much, like, I just can do that.
But then remember, like I said, like, walk out into the parking lot and where’s my car and can’t remember it.
So what is the difference between those 2.
Well, one is your highly competent and highly passionate, and this is a skill you have.
Yeah. There’s a detail of the debt.
Okay.
And so it doesn’t surprise me at all.
That you can do that because you’ve done it for how many years have you done that?
Almost 30. Yeah.
So you’re just highly competent.
But I’ve also walked out of stores into the parking lot for
30 years. You have to activate Apple car play because my wife says there’s a way to get it to tell you where your car
This is true. I just need to tap.
Is I activate your frontal lobes. This is your short term memory. Okay.
Although on the test, it was fine.
Mhmm. Okay. That’s good to know.
And then when we talk about trauma and how it affects people’s brain is is my brain the way that it is just because it wouldn’t it would naturally be that way anyways, just from childhood trauma, or is it that the trauma that I’ve experienced in the past 10 years has that done damage?
They stack.
Okay.
But you’ve also done a lot of work. Mhmm.
And the work I published a study on EMDR on soldiers who are involved in shootings, and they’re all developed PTSD because of a and they all were not working.
Average of 8 EMDR sessions, they all worked.
And they had that diamond pattern in their brand and come sit down.
So I think the work you’ve done has been helpful.
Well, good. Thank you. This is really fascinating.
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