The Rapture Pre-Mid-Post Tribulation, Why The Debate?
The Rapture Pre-Mid-Post Tribulation, Why The Debate?
In this episode, we dive deep into the topic of the rapture, exploring different views such as the pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, and post-tribulation rapture viewpoints. We discuss the importance of understanding the seven years specifically owed to Israel and the implications of each rapture view on interpreting Bible prophecies. We also touch on the topic of the Antichrist and the mark of the beast. We examine the post-tribulation rapture view and the issues that arise from it, such as the mixing of the church and Israel as the saints, and the lack of deliverance for the church during the tribulation period. We emphasize the importance of being ready for Jesus’ return and living out our faith today.
Join us as we explore these fascinating topics and provide insight into the different perspectives on the rapture. And don’t forget to subscribe and leave a review to help spread the message.
Be ready, live out your faith, and stay connected with us for more in-depth discussions on real life and the Bible.
[Music] hey everybody what’s coming up in this podcast is we’re going to finish off looking at the pre-tribulation Reps review we are going to dive into the mid-tribulation Rapture View and the post-tribulation Rapture view so get your Bibles ready let’s get into this real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to Proclaim truth equip the Saints and impact our culture today if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ then make sure you leave us one of those
five-star ratings to us that’s like saying amen or yes then that rating will encourage others to listen now open your hearts to what God’s word has to say to you here is Jack Hibbs listen we are here looking at your questions predominantly on the Rapture this is our third podcast on this topic we covered some of it’s for you to do the rest of the work uh some of the uh scriptures regarding the pre-tribulation Rapture view how it’s literal the other views are not it allows scripture to build upon scripture the other ones do
not it you take the Bible at first face value as as given the other ones do not but let’s look at the other ones we’re going to reduce it down right now basically uh to these two the mid-tribulation Rapture view or what is sometimes known or can be known as uh The pre-wrath View um and then also the post tribulation reps review so the answers I’m going to be giving you will will certainly apply to either View but let’s start with this let’s define the best we can um the mid or pre uh tribulation uh
wrath view it’s this that the church sees the Antichrist come on the scene the church is basically prospering with the rest of the world based on Daniel 9 verses 24 to 27 and other portions in the Book of Daniel chapter 8 where the Antichrist the Beast that is to come deceives the world with peace and prosperity and the half years the church is doing okay it must endure its normal hardships but it’s doing pretty good uh and so the first three and a half years or the Bible puts it the first 1260 days or the Bible also puts it as the first
42 months that everything’s pretty much okay so it’s not the the tribulation as such the great tribulations the last half of that the other 42 months the other 1260 days the other three and a half years and remember a class from before the last uh three and a half years combined with the first three and a half years is based on a Babylonian calendar 360 day years uh 360 day year I should say to a Biblical Year from Genesis to Revelation that stays the same so the the mid or wrath people pre-wrath people they’ve got it this way where um
they view the Wrath happening in the last half so the church is okay and so you say well what’s wrong with that everything’s wrong with it here’s the reason why uh the seven years has promised to the nation and to the people of Israel not the church it completely messes up John chapter 4 when when John is lifted up off the Earth in his vantage point is from Heaven to Earth during the entire seven year tribulation a period of time think that through for a second you see well Jack that’s just John reporting that’s
just John reporting from the scene well John’s looking down from heaven Revelation 4 1 and what’s going on on the earth and John records the Advent of the Antichrist from heaven John see but that’s John you say Jack but in Revelation 19 John basically turns around with his camera crew and his microphone and he says you know what I saw a door opened in front of me and behind me was the church and we were on white horses and we follow him who’s in front of us who’s on his robe is written king of
kings and Lord of lords and I saw that out of his mouth when a sharp sword the word of God with it he should strike the Nations and you read Revelation 19 on and it’s Christ in the second coming it doesn’t fit everybody the pre-wrath mid-trib view doesn’t work it doesn’t work that way and you’ll have to do gymnastics with scriptures and you’ll have to say see right here it says Saints yes remember I mentioned this before this Old Testament Saints the church age Saints and the tribulation Saints
technically there’s three categories of saints I guess you could push it and take it out into the Millennium there’ll be those who will believe in the millennium who will come to Faith I guess you could call those Millennial Saints but we’re not we’re not focusing on that this is what’s important that both camps understand the post-tribulationist and the mid-tribulationists to understand something that the seven years is specifically owed to Israel there’s no mention of the church anywhere in the
seven years on Earth old or new testament in fact what’s very cool is the seven years if you’re Jewish right now and you read Genesis to Malachi and skip the entire New Testament and then started reading in Revelation chapter 5 certainly chapter six on you would think you’re reading the Old Testament it’s amazing so watch this in Daniel chapter 9 verse excuse me Daniel chapter 7 verse 21 the Bible says there that power will be given to the Antichrist to destroy the Saints on Earth he’ll kill them you say well that’s radical what was
that Daniel 7 21. well where do you hear about that in the New Testament do you hear that prior to the pre-tribulation Rapture view no you have the church standing for light and salt and in in in righteousness and preaching the gospel to the ends of the Earth what we’re doing now we certainly have demonic opposition we certainly have persecution and we’ll we’re going to see that escalate that’s normal but you have no Global order given by a central figure declaring War on the Church of Jesus you don’t see that
at all but you do find from Daniel 7 21 you move forward to Revelation chapter 13. and this very same one that Daniel’s talking about John’s talking about and he says that this one the Antichrist is given power to destroy the Saints to overcome them and that’s the chapter by the way of the mark of the beast 666 and all that stuff nobody will be able to buy or sell without his number there’s going to be those in that time period of the tribulation they’re not going to accept the mark they will either be a born-again Jews
like the hundred and forty four thousand men Hebrew read read about them in the Book of Revelation they’ll be 12 000 men virgins who speak Hebrew among probably other religions I mean languages obviously who are saved and they’re they are powered by the Holy Spirit they preach the Everlasting gospel 12 000 from each tribe 144 000 total and they deliver the gospel to the ends of the Earth and from the from those that preach a number of Gentiles saved cannot be counted those that get saved they also wind up getting beheaded
The Book of Revelation tells us because they refuse to give allegiance to the Antichrist I guess now would be a good time for me to insert this and boy I’m going to get hate mail for this one but it’s okay um look I’m old enough to be your dad I remember living at a time when credit cards came out and they had and they had a magnetic it used to be they didn’t even have a magnetic strip in the back in the early days credit cards just had a number on the front and you would take the credit card and some of you
this would be a flashback some you take your credit card you lay it down and they would go like this remember this you guys they’d go like this with a machine give you your card back they kept your receipt you kept your receipt they mailed it in the MasterCard they eventually got paid man some of the young people are saying what then you know what happened this happened magnetic strip in fact I just I have to cover this part up because this hadn’t happened yet magnetic strip on the back and I remember people at church back in
those days it was covered Chapel Costa Mesa where I used to go people said that’s the mark of the beast don’t don’t we have to throw away our credit cards the magnetic strip has more information on it people freaked uh not everybody freaked a lot of people freaked and then they calmed down because they realized they were hungry later that day and wanted to eat and buy some toys so that concern went away and that’s okay because it meant nothing and then as I covered up my card a moment ago I shouldn’t have put it away
but they all have it anyway here’s this one um see a little shiny thing right here in the corner I’m gonna move it so you can’t copy my number and ruin my life see that little thing right there it’s a hologram that’s got more information on it okay well you see this card that card’s got a chip on it it’s not a hologram in fact the hologram’s been outdated it’s got the RF thing I can tap this right but that’s not so cool imagine if they put this technology in your head and you
could tap your head at Starbucks you look like an idiot you look like a woodpecker getting a coffee out of Starbucks it doesn’t work but what does come real close is that chip that that um the chip that’s right there could easily go under my skin in LA County uh all of your dogs and cats have a chip in the back of their neck oh my gosh you’re it’s the Antichrist it’s not the Antichrist listen this is where you’re gonna freak out um even with all that’s going on with this passport talk about
um having a global passport medical passport issued by the World Health Organization and you won’t be able to travel anywhere without it that’s not even the mark of the beast everybody I know you’re going to hate me for this what if they come out with implantable chips tomorrow oh my gosh it’s the mark of the beast it’s not the mark of the beast still not the mark of the beast what if they put on your forehead still not the mark of the beast I mean it listen you have to willfully accept the number you have to willfully
pledge allegiance to the Antichrist and if you do that then you win the devil’s prize and that is you get a number 666. so imagine your social security number and because you play by his rules he’s going to issue you a prefix like your area code 808 909-714 and then your phone number imagine that prefix in front of you in front of your Social Security number you’re gonna have to accept you’re gonna have to say I bow and I pledge allegiance to the Antichrist he’s awesome and I want to eat you have to willfully do that people are
going to get in line to do that they’re going to love it so don’t panic with the technologies that are coming just know we’re getting near the end it’s pretty awesome so post-tribulationist post-tribulationists believe that when Christ comes back when he descends from heaven with the voice of the Archangel and trumpet of God and the dead and Christ arise there is a Rapture it’s at the end of the second coming when Christ is coming okay remember John’s with them John’s with him and the Saints are with
him so a group pop out of the ground and then those who are alive at that moment are raptured and they meet Jesus in the air very similar sort of sort of similar to The pre-trib View but they meet Jesus in the air but they keep coming down like a yo-yo and Jesus lands with everybody and establishes his kingdom the post-tribulation Rapture View is a view that is not found in Scripture and in most cases because I used to be one it really was originated by a view that number one mixed the church in Israel together as the Saints
it confused the saints that make up believing Israel and the saints that make up the believing church and made them the same Saints big boo boo big mistake why the church age Saints are called the bride of Christ nowhere in the Bible is Israel called the bride of Christ anywhere she is the bride or the wife of Jehovah God the father is married to Israel read the book of Jeremiah read the book of Hosea Jesus is engaged to the church at this moment right now okay the other thing is this that if you have the church
surviving the tribulation at his second coming and he picks her up to bring her down what is he delivering her from there is no deliverance from the hour that will engulf the Earth there is no Luke 21 36 escaping all of these things that will come upon the face of the Earth there’s none of it so I gotta tell you the post-tribulation Rapture View as it was with me is based in some spiritual arrogance and pride based in this I’ll take one for the team it’s a that a pre a pre-tribulation Rapture views for wimps
no it’s not a pre-tribulation Rapture view uh they don’t have those the faith that I have to to write out the big storm uh you’re wrong about that I’ll submit this to you it’s it’s harder to be waiting for him now that it will be to die for him later I believe listen I don’t see Jesus I can’t hear him I just have his Bible but I’m ready listen a tribulation Saint is going to have all kinds of crazy things going on on Earth Watching what’s going on those tribulation Saints are going to
have faith obviously but man are they going to be seeing stuff but a a post-tribulation Rapture View it makes no consistency of interpretation throughout scripture God says I’m going to deliver you from wrath then how does he do that oh you make the word wrath mean hell that doesn’t work because that’s not the word very important the bride of Christ has got to get to John 14 verses 1 to 1 2 and 3.
the post-tribulation post-tribulation Reps review has no John 14 verses 1 2 and 3. has no Deliverance the post-tribulation Rapture view is all summed up in this thing it’s Works based salvation I must suffer because I gotta somehow participate in what Jesus has done for me Jesus suffered for me in the cross so I must suffer for him on Earth no that’s not true also this there’s a sense of arrogance spiritually I owe Jesus my blood no you don’t I owe Jesus what you owe him now your undivided faith and
attention that he could come for you today you could be a post-tribulationist right now but are you ready to meet Jesus now because you might slip on a banana or you might go visit San Francisco that’ll put an end to you you need to be careful listen you’ve got to be ready now without any indication because the Bible says be ready okay so the post-tribulation Rapture view frankly is very very weak it doesn’t take much Faith because a post-tribulation Rapture view if you believe it is filled with all kinds of
visible signs and wonders that indicate the fact that here he comes according to Daniel chapter 12 any minute now it doesn’t work it doesn’t work Christ returns at the end of the tribulation period at those seven years as they come to an end to put an end to the assemblage of what is known as the battle of Armageddon he brings his church with him the tribulation Believers die for their faith by beheading revelation 13.
the mid or pre-wrath middle Rapture and post-tribulation rapture at all so I know I just ruffled a bunch of feathers I love you anyway but it’s it’s um you you need to listen you need the Blessed hope inside of you in the of our of the looking forward to the Blessed hope and the Glorious opinion of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ that could happen any day now are you ready to meet him no I don’t think it can happen okay if you’re if you’re trusting in his work at the cross that’s
fine but are you still ready to meet him see your position on where you place the Rapture is not a Salvation issue but the Bible does say that when he returns you don’t want to be goofing off so that you’re ashamed and embarrassed at his coming you’re going to go up but you’re going to be red in the face as it were no man be ready today let’s do this let’s get up let’s get going guys listen everybody help us move up in the ranks it’s kind of cool for this reason we don’t need it for our ego
we’re trying to slay our ego constantly like you are we want you to uh hit subscribe we want you to tap the the review button write a review because it moves us up in the social media world that you guys know about which I don’t and it tells uh the podcast uh the gods of the podcast realm hey people are listening to this well let’s just keep it on let’s not cancel it uh we don’t we don’t need your money don’t send us your money uh we don’t need that what we need is your thumbs up
your encouragement okay God bless you guys until next time we’ll see you later oh yes jackhibs.com you can find out everything there all kinds of teaching and things there you can subscribe and be uh updated on everything that’s going on we’re asking you to share all this and remember this it’s time to live out what you believe in it’s time for real life and we thank you for being with us God bless you guys [Music] this Jack Kim’s podcast as well as all the broadcast Outreach opportunities are
listener supported will you consider partnering with us through a special gift go to jackhibs.com to learn more and stay connected [Music]
