The Pagan Cycle of Abortion

What do abortion, comprehensive sexual education, transgenderism, and Planned Parenthood all have to do with each other? Find out on this week’s episode as Pastor Jack sits down with Seth Gruber to talk all things pro-life and standing up to leftist ideologies that are plaguing our society.

First gaining exposure during his college years, Seth founded and directed the Students for Life Club at Westmont College, a Christian liberal arts institution. While there, he conducted educational displays on campus to challenge the institution for their refusal to take a formal position on abortion. During the summer, Seth interned with a pro-life organization in Southern California, where he helped coordinate and conduct educational displays at over 10 universities and engaged with thousands of students on the topic of abortion. Upon graduation, Seth joined Life Training Institute as a pro-life speaker. He is now a nationally renowned speaker for life, the founder and president of The White Rose Resistance, and the host of the popular podcast “UnAborted.”

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Hey, I am blessed and privileged to be with Seth Gruber, the founder of the White Rose Resistance.
You need to know what it’s all about. And you need to know what Seth has to say.
I believe that he’s the premier voice for the unborn child. That’s in America today, if not the world.
And so, Seth, I know this is unrehearsed.
We’re sitting down right now together, but, um, just tell us about what’s going on, some of the projects that you have lined up, and really what’s going on with your relationship to the church with your vision, with your mission?
Are you getting the love? Are you giving the help? Are you being taken care of? What’s going on?
Yeah. Amen. Well, for for those of you guys listening, uh, you guys if you don’t know this, you need to know this.
Uh, Pastor Jack is himself an abortion survivor. Yeah. And, uh, some people don’t know that.
Some people remember the Calvary magazine you interview you did years ago.
Uh, we did a Instagram reel with your team on a that we collaborated on together.
That reached a lot of people and a lot of people were responding saying, I didn’t even know that about Pastor Jack’s testimony and story.
And by the way, guys, when we say abortion survivor, we don’t mean, a a woman who got an abortion and then got healed.
Some people get confused. Now we’re talking about like a baby
Yeah.
Who survived a failed abortion attempt on their life wall in utero.
That’s what we mean by the phrase abortion survivor.
And so we’ve worked together on a love life California conference at this church before, Calvary Chapelino Hills January 2022, And we had our friend, Melissa Oden, who runs the abortion survivors network.
And and it’s just it’s so profound to be with you, Jack, again, just thinking about the horror and trauma of having your life attacked before you’ve even seen the light of day.
Yeah. Before you’ve even felt the warmth of your mother’s arms Yeah.
That your life was being assaulted and attacked already.
And, like, and and we’ve talked about this and you’ve talked about this publicly.
I’m not sharing anything that you haven’t said and you have you had such incredible love and compassion for your mother, but like to be attacked by those who were designed to protect you before you were even born.
Yeah. It’s an incredibly traumatic and horrific thing to consider. And in an age in society that says believe survivors.
Trust survivors. It’s interesting how the culture does not have any patience for the stories of abortion survivors who are simply saying, if abortion was a woman’s right issue, then where was my right?
Exactly. Because most abortion survivors are women. Yeah. Strangely enough.
Isn’t that something?
Where where are their women’s rights when they were their mother was paying a hit man to try kill them in utero.
Yeah.
And so I I didn’t answer your question at all, but, like, it’s just so good to be with you again, brother, as it’s probably the most outspoken pro life pastor in the country, but the fact that you survived a failed abortion attempt to just provide so much credibility to your brother.
Well, I tell you what, what’s amazing too, Seth, is the fact that, uh, my, you know, when I, I was in junior high when I found that out.
When you heard them talking about it, yeah.
But I had to mature years later to find out several things.
Number 1, when I became a Christian, it all began to make sense for me.
Second thing is having been a abortion survivor, that causes you to have what I believe is, uh, a little bit of more uh, boldness toward the call, toward the mission.
Because in a sense, yeah, I was already destined to death. So I, I’ve gone through that.
I, I wasn’t supposed to live.
Uh, but, you know, you mentioned something about my mom, and the real issue was it was my father who put her through the demand that when he came back from Alaska that she was not to be pregnant with this child, and so she was the victim.
Uh, I was a victim. And then, you know, if you think about it, my dad grew up in a non Christian worldview, uh, experience.
So it just goes to show you that when god is interjected into the scenario, the healing radically takes place because the very son that was not supposed to be born wound up leading my mom and my dad to Christ.
That’s right. And so I’ll see them later in heaven, but Tell me what’s going on.
You you’ve got an incredible platform and God is using you tremendously How how is that being played out?
Are your, uh, speaking engagement engagements predominantly churches? Is it the public square?
Is it tell me, what is the day in the life of Seth Gruber and the white rose resistance?
Well, thanks to to you, Jack.
Uh, trusting a little twenty nine year old whippers snapper in October of 2020 to preach on a Sunday morning.
And I had I lost my stage fright, Pastor Jackin, about 2017, until I preached here October, uh, 2020, because I went from speaking in churches of 200, maybe 300 people.
To all three services while you’re defying Newsom and the state of California fully open.
And that was the morning that changed my life. Actually, um, was having spoke at Comeback, California Yeah.
A month before, and then you had me at twenty nine years old.
Uh, and then again, 14 months ago when I launched the white rose resistance and, uh, I haven’t looked back.
And so thanks to you actually more so than any other single individual in the country.
Pastor Jack, the the national response to the white rose resistance has just been such a god thing.
And so it’s right now, it is January. Uh, 2024. I’m pretty much booked out through June.
I have almost no openings whatsoever. Um, we have 3 kids.
Um, we
moved to Kansas be closer to the in laws because of all the traveling. Right.
We’re probably the fastest growing pro life organization in the country right now.
And what makes us a little more unique, um, because I’m not here to, you know, talk down other organizations.
We we we need lots of other organizations in the movement.
What makes us unique is I think I’m trying to put myself out of a job you see, you see, we actually don’t need another 501c3 doing the work that the blood bought right of price was called to do.
Well And and I I mean, my mom was the director of a pregnancy resource center in the in the late 19 eighties when she was in her late twenties in Azusa, California.
Uh, before she married my dad and had me as the firstborn.
I grew up in the walk for life every year.
I’m I I grew I was raised in the pro life movement, and yet I’m telling you and your audience right now, there are too many 501c3 non profit pro life organizations doing the work, filling in the gap left open by the local church.
The pro life movement did not begin in the 1970s, Jack. It began in the 1st century. Oh, that’s right.
The heritage of the church is that wherever the gospel is preached social transformation follows, So so when the when when we have Prop 1 abortion through point of birth funded by the public dole in the state of California, when they’re firing our friend Jessica Hapia who worship certification.
She says I’m not gonna use a minor’s preferred pronoun and then light of the parents and the the dude go in the women’s restroom because his inner transgender legion says he’s actually a woman, and then she gets fired.
If these are not signs of the times of the kind of culture of death we’re living in, I don’t know what is.
It was the church that established righteousness.
It was it was the Christian worldview that established the quote unquote blessings of liberty.
So we now wait downstream to quote my pastor Rob McCoy and we pick up human heartache that we helped create through our political apathy upstream.
Yeah. Unless we lost our 501c3 statuses by preaching the full counsel of god and pure and undefiled religion. Yeah.
What we actually need is Christians learning how to be salty again. Yeah.
And so you look after you read the Old Testament and you see Gideon in Judge 6 hiding out in a cave like a little pansy Yeah.
Pastor Jack. Yeah. And then and then the angel of the lord comes to Gideon and judges 6, and he says mighty man of valor.
Yeah. He reminds him of his identity. Yeah. Mighty man of valor.
He’s hiding out in the cave like a little pansy because they had Bernie Sanders democratic socialism. That’s right. Right?
Because the media and I were taking all all the weed that they
grow it.
We’ll take you you you make we take. That’s the social.
I mean, democratic socialism, Jack, which I’ve been told was much better. Right? I’m not sure how that works.
I think it’s a if you vote your way in, you shoot your way out or something like that.
So so he’s hiding out in the cave threshing his own weed. So he’s a tax evator.
That’s right.
Naughty naughty Giddies. This is true.
And then and then what in his conversation with the angel of the lord, what happens?
He he cooks, got a meal. The angel of the lord lights it on fire, so he freaks out.
It’s like a Joe Babin. He’s like, okay, I’m gonna shut up now. Like, your god.
And then the it says end that same night.
The it said god said, walked out of the cave go tear down the altars, the bail.
The high places. And the Asherah pulls.
That’s right.
Shop up the Asherah pulls and then use them to create to burn the sacrifice
onto me. Which is pretty which is pretty awesome that god would have him go chop down both those, uh, particular types of worship, um, icons.
One of them being the, um, how do we say it?
One of them being a very tall pole that, uh, is
I see where you’re going. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can you believe this this is in the Bible people where you
just sound like a Yeah.
I know, but in the Bible god says tear down those,
uh, Astra poles.
Those Astra poles, which were fertility pulls where people would gather together and, uh, they release
from the goddess of sex, you know.
Truly orgies, uh, to all of these various deities, and then uh, the the pregnancy that that follows, uh, then they just went down the road to Molak.
And they As
it was in judges 6, so it is today.
Sex said is their sales funnel, abortion is their product, and your children are their prospects. You said this.
I’ll say that again.
Say that? Sex set
is their sales funnel. Abortion is their product, and your children are their prospects. So let me unpack that.
You got Ashra, goddess of sex, orgies. Oops. What happens when you do a lot of that? Yeah.
Unwanted pregnancies, unplanned pregnancies. That’s okay.
Walk over to the other side of the camp to the bail statues and past your children through the fire.
Yep.
God says you go tear down.
That’s true.
Those 2 what what are the 2 pagan gods of our culture today?
Sex. Sex.
And child sacrifice. Both in and outside the home, by the way, because if they make it out alive, Planned Parenthood, who’s not only the largest abortion provider in the World Power project.
Guess what? Ready for this? Your audience probably never heard this statement before.
According to Planned Parenthood’s own celebratory statements, they are the 2nd largest provider of cross sex hormones and puberty blockers in the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Planned Parenthood, y’all. Let me say that again because you think I’m joking you right now.
Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the world, is as of 2023.
Last year, the 2nd largest provider of cross sex hormones and puberty blockers in the land of the free and the home of the brave.
It’s their fastest growing revenue stream right now in January of 2024.
Planned Parenthood’s fastest growing revenue stream is not killing babies in the womb.
It’s selling cross sex hormones and puberty blockers, by the way, creating permanent clients who will then need those drugs forever, especially if they go the full wout with chemma with surgical castration and surgical intervention, they will need drugs for the rest of their life.
That’s a permanent client just like big Pharma. Absolutely. That’s the same organization. Planned Parenthood.
That’s exact. And
That’s brilliant. They are the largest provider.
Of comprehensive sexuality education in America’s public schools, which, yes, is that pornographic?
They’ve got a pre politically inappropriate Absolutely. Remember when Attorney General Merritt Garless
Of course.
Said, um, after that brother and pastor Gary Hamrick’s district That’s right. Loudin County, Virginia.
By the way, him and his family got saved. They attend Cornerstone Chapel now.
He was at that school board meeting. That’s right.
And, yeah, Did he curse and get probably a little bit carried away? Yeah. You want to know why audience?
Because his daughter had been raped in a public high school bathroom in Loudoun County, Virginia.
Because the school board in Loudoun County School’s responsible.
Said that boys could go into the girl’s bathroom if they identified as a woman inside, So a dude who said he was a woman raped this father’s daughter.
The school board covered it up because it was their own policy.
They transferred him to another school, and he did it again to another girl.
So the dad who, yeah, got a little angry because
Those school board members should not was raped.
Yep. And he gets a little carried. He gets arrested and what happened the next week.
Attorney General of the United States of American.
Mayor Gardner says I’m opening up an investigation into domestic terrorism of parents speaking at school board meetings.
That’s right.
But all of that kind of curriculum, all the kind of ideas that are leading to school boards hiding the gender identity of minor students from their parents.
It’s all called comprehensive sexuality and education, CSE.
And I’m gonna and there’s some stuff if you’re listening to this podcast right now, you can go to our happening now conversation.
Yeah. The happening now, we January 10th, 2024.
That’s right.
And I reveal some extremely horrific, shocking, demonic history behind how not just planned parenthood, behind not just legacy of planned parenthood, but how Planned created comprehensive sexuality education.
All the lewd porn stuff in the schools.
Sometimes it’s during sex or health week, Sometimes it’s in the school library, but sometimes it’s actually in the required section week at public high school’s Planned Parenthood Jack wins 80% 80% of the public funds for grants to go put that horrific sex ed that they wrote and then they go get the grants
to
go put their own curriculum into the schools. Yep. So what am I trying to say?
Well, let me try to circle the barn here because I’m getting a little carried away.
That’s alright. Asherah and Beaul. That’s right. Sexual liberation
is political control if you sexualize a community, especially the young minds of innocent children who aren’t aware of what’s happening to them, They will eventually kill their children.
Here’s the final statement. Child sacrifice has always been the conclusion of sexual liberation.
As it was in judges 6. So it is today.
And all of that sprinkled dusted with a religious uh, pixie dust, so to speak, of knowingly or unknowingly, this is to Pagan deities, which we know as demons.
Yep. Demonic activity, its head has arisen again.
Yep.
And America’s falling headlong forward.
So we’re we’re revealing and exposing all of you guys to our new film. You’re blowing it up.
White religious and speaking in churches.
And, you know, we’re not to the point where we where we need to be at, Jack, and I’m sure you’d would agree where the the the pulpits are ablaze with righteousness in America again.
And we have social transformation and godly men and women are running and getting elected and transforming school districts and and overturning laws and and restoring protections for marriage.
Do you think that will ever happen?
I I I believe by god’s grace, if if if the people of god begin to care more about truth and righteousness and what their father thinks
about them
That’s the biggest. Than their own reputation and 501c3 statuses and being invited to write op eds in the New York Times in the Washington Post.
If we walk away from the legacy that’s been built by big evangelicalism, yes, we just use that phrase in a sentence, not big pharma.
Big Eva, Big Evangelism, those who want to place at the table.
They care more about having their back rubbed by people at the World Economic Forum.
And the other sort of theological better.
That’s right.
For the gospel coalition, who have done nothing to save preborn children to stand up against the sexualization of children.
And our new film, the 1916 project, which comes out in 2024 later this year, is going to blow the top off of what I call the hidden history of the secular moral revolution.
The architects of the culture of death.
Shoot through a few of those things just to get people fired up about it.
For people listening past reject, they’re probably like, well, this guy’s kinda weird.
I thought Jack said he was a pro life speaker. Why is he spouting off on all this other stuff?
Why? Because all human conflict is ultimately theological
That’s right.
That’s why you can’t let carve out a lane in the culture wars and say, well, I’m a pro life speaker.
I just want to say babies. Well, praise God. I do too.
But you can’t you can’t, um, rip the abortion movement out of the cultural fabric of the culture wars and say, I just deal with this issue.
This is a was that what Francis Schafer talked about?
He said that, like, we tend to deal in in bits and pieces with ideology. Yeah.
Rather than seeing, uh, Christian manifesto, right, how then shall we live rather than seeing, like, how the whole thing all goes together.
That’s right.
Uh, and by the way, have you guys noticed this about the left? It it’s not like that with them.
The the religion of Leftism, humanism, uh, secular progressivism, whatever you wanna call it, they seemingly have a robust religion.
That’s right. That that speaks to all the issues of the day within their religious framework, meaning meaning that the lenses of Leftism, there’s a new phrase I just coined.
Uh, provide more pagan clarity to the culture wars for their congregants and deacons in the church of humanism.
Then apparently that pure and undefiled religion can provide for, uh, the blood bought bride of Christ to reach that same level of political and spiritual clarity according to Christian World I mean by this?
Here’s an example of this. Have you guys noticed how the left always sort of coalesces together? Absolutely.
Anytime one of their core pagan sacrum is compromised. Right. And the left doesn’t agree about everything, Jack. No.
But if it comes to transient kids Yep. Sexualizing them, killing them in the womb, for rental rights.
Um, transgenderism men’s competing against women.
They’ll they’ll they’ll literally say things like, there’s no proof that men have a physical advantage over women.
It’s like, dude, Wow. Secular humanism really rots the brain.
But, like, anytime one of those core sacraments gets compromised, what do the What do you mean?
The the the deacons in the religion of few minutes of doom. Absolutely. They unite.
And they set aside any other sort of, you know, peripheral political disagreement to unite on those core things.
And their religion, their ideology, whatever you want to call it.
It is robust enough for them to get in lockstep.
That’s right.
But we bicker and we argue in Chris and Doug, and we go Well, that Jack Hibbs though, I mean, isn’t he just a a political act?
Hasn’t he prostituted his great commission duties to the GOP so he can be invited to speak at Republican that Jack.
I don’t trust that Jack. It really is Christianity big enough to be able to put clarity to issues of abortion.
What about socialism? I thought the early church they share and have everything in common in that socialism and we bicker and we argue about these issues that actually the Bible and our historic Christian faith speak to very loudly and very clearly.
Absolutely. But
we seemingly can’t see that. Yep. Right. Why?
And I’m convinced it’s because we care more about our reputation That’s right.
Or 501c3 status and what the Washington Post says about us, then what God thinks about us.
I gotta tell you, I had an interesting revelation.
I should have known this, but I didn’t I had the honor of being at a at a meeting and, uh, sitting next to me, um, is a nationally renowned attorney.
Uh, I’m not gonna mention his name because I and maybe I shouldn’t, but he’s he is the guy.
And, um, we were talking and he said because his his specialty is constitutional law.
Yep.
And I didn’t realize this. He said that a church in the United States does not have to apply.
For a 501c3. That’s right. Did you know that?
They are defactoring.
They never even dawned on me.
The facto there are 501c3.
The facto, a church doesn’t have to have a 501c3.
It’s already exempt based on our constitution and our founding fathers.
And when the IRS a few years ago said that churches need to register to be a 501c3. Yeah.
That does. Severalincluding one of my one of my other pastor heroes, uh, Scott Craig in, um, in, uh, South Dakota.
Um, him and a bunch of other pastors, yeah, together and said, you know what?
We’re actually not even gonna register for that because we don’t have to because what you’re saying is illegal.
You can’t require churches to register the 51¢.
It’s amazing. But it’s it’s it’s
a it’s a here’s a mammoth.
Exactly. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here.
That’s right. Just give us the children. Just give us the babies Right. You’re here. Just just just stay quiet.
Absolutely. You know? So listen, you guys, obviously, this has been the fastest 25 minutes, uh, ever.
And so, Yeah. The the time that Seth and I are bringing this, uh, podcast to you right now, uh, we recently did what we call happening now.
It’s 90 minutes of nonstop this and that. And January 10th, I believe, was the
Yeah.
Was the day. You can look that up by going to jackhibs.com. Jackhibs.com. It’s there happening now.
You’re gonna wanna see all of it in its full entirety 90 minutes, but please keep him in prayer.
The the time that he could take to tell us the things that they have to go through.
The things that they have to deal with is absolutely ridiculous because I I promise you this.
The those with other world views don’t have to go through, uh, the hoops that, uh, that Seth and his teams having to go through.
You and I are living in a time of profound deception, brothers and sisters, and we need to know the truth, but it’s not enough to know it.
We’ve got to do it. In fact, it’s worse to know it and not do it. Yep.
Then to know it and to just play with it or to take it as some sort of a toy.
Everything that we learn from god and from his word Now we’re responsible to do it.
And so that’s why no area of life is off limits.
To the Christian and to that salt and light influence.
Listen, as always, uh, here at real life, we believe that it’s time.
For us to live out what we believe in. It’s time for real life.
And we’re grateful, Seth, for you and your ministry.
Like Abraham hyper right now.
And the that’s an honor. Wow. And the white rose resistance people find out all about it.
Find out all about it. Seth Grew is doing a great work. Get behind them. And support him.
Yeah. You can go to the white rose dot life, learn all about what we’re doing.
If you wanna know why Planned Parenthood’s founding board member was called the spiritual father of Nazi Germany, and is the only American to have had a one on one meeting with Adolf Hitler after he goes to power.
Yes. I said that the founding board member of Planned Parenthood. Do you wanna know how that happened and more?
Go to the happening now. 90 minute conversation here, the hidden history of the secular moral revolution, the architects of the culture of death, planned parenthood, the largest best funded and most profitable 501c3 in American history, and watch our trailer of the film that is going to reawaken the blood bomb right across in America and expose the deeds of darkness.
Ephesians 511. It’s called the 1916 project. We have not publicly released the trailer yet. Uh.
You can only watch the trailer to the 1960 project by going and watching the happening now conversation and watching us premiere for the first time publicly on January 10th 2024 at Calvary Chapel Chino Homes.
So good. God bless you, brother.
Love it.
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