Jonathan Cahn: Our Culture Has Removed God | Praise on TBN

Jonathan Cahn sits down with Erick Stakelbeck to discuss the return of ancient spirits in today’s world, and how we have opened the door for them to shift our culture away from God!

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What’s happening is it’s a spirit that has closed America to forget god, to forget that an ever new god started small.
People said, okay. Taking prayer out, look at where it has come because, again, you empty the house.
If we empty the house, you’re gonna something else is coming in. What comes in is this spirit of bail.
These are pagan gods or pagan spirits.
So what they come to a Christian nation, their mission is to take a turn a nation that is, quote, Christian and turn it into a pagan nation.
Pagonizing. That is what we have been watching for the last half century.
When you’re saying what’s going on, that’s what’s going on.
This is a mystery that affects everything that’s happening right now. In our world, in our culture.
What if that behind everything we’re seeing, the changes of America, the the what’s happening to the children, what’s happening to the media?
Behind that is an ancient mystery that goes back to the tablets of ancient mesopotamia.
What if the gods that we hear about, you know, gods and we think, okay. It’s fiction.
Well, that they are in one sense, but what if there’s a reality to them?
What if they are actually there are actually beings linked to this And what it what are they?
Who are they? And what if they returned to our day now? What would happen?
What if they are the invisible agents behind all these changes that are taking place, taking place in the classroom, taking place on television, taking place on our computer screens, uh, take place in the Supreme Court.
What if it lies behind things like the the sign of the rainbow? Like like what’s happening to gender?
What’s happening in everything that’s affecting everyone.
What if one of the principalities or gods actually, uh, actually manifested in New York City, not far from where we are right now.
Uh, what if that’s happening? And the the thing is here’s the thing is it is happening. It is real.
It is right from the Bible.
It explains I mean, when people, uh, what we were talking before, when I first was sharing this, you know, the the one who who was speaking to me said, This is every this explains everything.
Well, we’re all dealing with it. Everyone who’s watching right now is dealing with it.
Every family is dealing with it. Every relative of that is dealing with it.
We are all dealing with it in our lives.
And so this, the return of the gods is to remove the veil and to expose this that we can see because, you know, we can’t win if you don’t know what you’re fighting, you know, um, and to empower god’s people.
And and we’ll we’ll be able to there’s so much to unpack, we’ll be able to touch or give a taste of it, but I believe this is one of the most important things I could ever, ever bring forth.
Jonathan, they say the first rule of war is to know your enemy. This is a spiritual war. Yes.
What is the mystery of the spirits? Number 1 and number 2?
The book is titled The Return of the Gods Plural.
We know there’s one god, the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but there is something deeper behind, as you said,
these ancient demonic pagan entities. Yeah. Well, the Bible speaks a lot about the god. It says, who are you?
Who is like you among the gods? You know, the lord says, I will execute judgment against the gods.
Has a lot to say about that. And so so what are the gods?
Well, 1st of all, all over the world, there were gods.
I mean, all over the world, every culture, it’s kinda strange phenomenon was worshiping god’s every culture.
So so why and what what is it? Why is it universal? Well, the Bible gives the answer.
The Bible says in the book of deuteronomy and in the Psalms says they worshiped or they even sacrifice their children to the gods, but the word it uses, the word The Shaddim.
The Shaddim. That that’s in the book. Like, what are they? The the word Shaddim means entities, beings, spiritual beings.
Now in ancient Babylon, they said they could be good or bad, but in the Bible says, no, no, they’re only bad.
So it’s it’s the shed deem. So it wasn’t just these figments of people’s imagination.
Now there was imagination and all but it’s it’s it’s that word.
Now when it was translated by the rabbis into Greek, They chose the word, which we get the word demon from it.
And that is the the word that actually Paul uses when he says the same thing.
He says what the gentiles, the pagans are worshiping. What they’re doing, they’re actually worshiping the DImonia or the Shadeem.
These entities behind the gods are entities.
So What it’s saying is that that, again, not that the mythology is true.
Of course, it’s about, but that that sometimes that, you know, the mythology of man could follow what these things are.
And these entities, demonic, can actually use the mythologies, because what’s the what’s their point to bring worship away from god?
I mean, so you would expect this. So the Bible says there’s something very real going on.
So the question is what would happen if these things that were there in the world if they if they return, which which which we’ll get into.
Yeah. I mean, look, you had golden calves. You had idles made of wood.
Obviously, they’re not gods, Jonathan, but as you lay out in the book, There are spirits and principalities demonic Yes.
Spiritual influences behind these idols. Yeah.
Yeah. The god the gods were the match.
I mean, the the so when we say the gospel, the the Bible speaks about this as entities.
So that’s the first piece of the mystery.
The next part is is that is that, you know, there’s a link in in the world between the gods and these cultures that worship them and spirit possession.
Because, actually, you’ll find that all over the world. You find that phenomena. They all describe possession. Why?
Because they’re given to the gods, if the gods are spirits behind them, they’re given to the spirits.
So when you look at pagan, the pagan world, you see all the signs of possession.
And the closer someone was to a god, like the oracles and the Priest and priests.
The more they they they manifested the science, classic signs of possession, you know, foaming, you know, shaking all that was part of Pagan worship.
But it’s not only that. It’s also that the entire culture can be possessed. An entire civilization can be possessed.
And that’s gonna be very important when we talk about what’s happening now, but that happened back then.
So you have you only have not only individual possession, you have civilizational possession.
A nation can become possessed, and that’s what we’re gonna get into.
Well, I think of the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Romans, the Romans, the Greek Jonathan, all these pagan deities, uh, that they worshiped.
But eventually, you lay out in the book that they were in the grip of this.
So this is really demonic possession of a culture, a society, a civilization, but eventually those gods departed.
That’s why the reason the book is called the return of the gods. That’s right. Where did they return from?
Where did they go? How did they eventually depart Yeah.
From the ancient world? Yeah. One answer, Jesus.
One answer, Messiah, and god, you know, in that in that he came into the world.
You know, now now the only, you know, the only part that wasn’t you could say wasn’t possessed is what was Israel.
And when Israel turned away from god, they went into it too.
But even what we call Western civilization, our our quote civilization. That was possessed back then.
So what happened was God came. Messiah came.
He had the power of, in the Greek, it says, Ekballo, to cast out cast out the spirits.
Well, that also means the gods too because the gods were linked to the spirits. You know?
And so what happened is when he sent the gospel into the world, they were going into the pagan world.
So you have a clash of god and the gods, the spirit and spirits.
And that’s why when you read the book of acts, what you’re seeing this clash you know, Paul is is followed by a possessed woman.
You know, there’s an out there’s an uproar in a city over the gods, and and so you have you have a clash.
You have persecution Now the war against Christians was the war of the gods.
They were told they were said, you know, worship the gods, and we won’t kill you.
You know, it was a war of the gods.
In fact, the great persecution of Rome started by that oracle dispossessed woman in the temple gave the word to do it.
So it’s a or. So what happens with the gospel triumph? And the gods departed. The temples became empty.
They were gone. They were rich. So if the gods are departed, that also means the spirits were departed.
This was the greatest mass exorcism in the history of the world. Wow.
And every time the gospel came, that’s what happened. So you have this is the and it’s unique.
That’s why Western civilization is unique.
It was the only civilization that was exercised, but now the question is, what would happen if they return?
And there’s actually a mystery that in a parable that Messiah gave that actually unlocks the key.
Tell us about the house of spirits. Yeah.
And why that’s so central to unlocking this mystery that you unpack in the book.
Yeah. Remember that the lord gave a parable.
And he said, uh, if a spirit departs from a man, it’ll go around roaming, looking for a place.
But if it finds no place, says, I’m gonna return to my house.
We’re talking about the guy goes back, finds it all clean and and order and empty.
And so he said, you know what? I’m gonna bring my friends.
Goes out and it just brings 7 spirits worse than the first and comes in now since the man now the the latter state is worse than the beginning.
The man is worse now. In being repossessed than he was before he even got cleansed.
Now when people look at this, okay, that is a a warning. Yes. You don’t turn back from knowing god.
Yes. But he says, so it will be with this generation. He wasn’t talking about just one man.
He’s talking about a civilization. And so when you take this to the biggest biggest application, you have a culture that, again, we said was possessed by the spirits and the gods was exercise.
West civilization became excellent. Now here’s the warning. If that culture that has known god ever turns away from god.
If it ever turns back, the spirits will return to it.
The gods, the same gods that re or the spirits that represented by the gods will come back that were cast out will return, and they will return to repossess the house.
To repossess the civilization. Now think about America.
Think about now what you wanna this is you wanna understand people saying, what’s going on?
How this is so crazy? This is what’s going on.
And and the thing is that when it says when it comes back, it’s gonna be worse than before.
When you look at civilizations that have turned from god like Russia was demonic, Look at Germany.
Turn from god. Look what happened. Well, now it’s happening to America and the entire Western world.
And to whom much is given much is required.
The book, you just you just contain so much scripture, scriptural background here as well, Jonathan. It’s great.
If the gods, these unclean demonic spirits, have indeed returned as you lay out in the book in great detail, how would they return in the modern era?
We’re we’re not necessarily seeing people worshiping golden calves, obviously, in idles of wood, how would they return?
It seems much more subversive today.
They’re returning to a a civilization that has known god. CEO that that quote, a quote Christian civilization.
So it was a whole different thing. Can’t come back.
First of all, can’t come back all at once, can’t come back saying, hey. We’re gonna mess you up.
It’s gonna come back step by step by step. First play a little bit, uh, gentle.
And the thing is what’s gonna open the door is if that civilization starts turning away from god.
And when you can see the real marker is or the beginning of the 19 sixties, you start seeing the turning, putting god away, putting prayer away.
That is what’s gonna open the door.
And the thing is that the when you look at, you know, which gods are gonna return, uh, well, the same gods or the same principalities that were in when Israel turned away from god, know, because we’re in that power that they’re gonna return.
And and with Israel, there were 3 primary gods among others that were that that that epitomized everything.
One I call in the book in the return of god is called the possessor.
And you call these, by the way, the dark trinity.
Yes. It’s a trin that’s right. The dark trinity. Yeah. The first is the put called the possessor.
The second is called the enchantress, and the third is called the destroyer.
So these are the 3 primary gods that have returned as as look, you you mentioned rightly, Jonathan, beginning in the 19 sixties, a bit of a national back sliding
away from god really began then. Yeah.
Prayer removed in the schools, the so called sexual revolution. You dig into it in the Yeah.
Well, the first, yeah, first you open the door.
The door is turning robot, but when you open the door, the house is never gonna stay empty.
That’s what it’s saying. And so what happens, you have the first one called the possessor in Hebrew.
His name was baal or bail, which means the possessor or the lord or the master or the owner.
And what he did or this principality is he was the alternate substitute gods.
He was the god of the of turn away from god. He I’m gonna be your new god.
I’m gonna make you prosperous. And he’s the 1 or this prince Valley that drove god out out of the public square, out of the palace, out of the children’s education.
So what do you see in America?
Do you see a spirit that starts driving god out step by step by step, start it small?
People said, okay. It’s taking prayer out. Look at where it has come because, again, you empty the house.
If we empty the house, you’re gonna something else is coming in.
And so what comes in is this spirit of bail. Right.
The main pig indeed. It seems bail was the most prevalent in ancient times.
Yeah. He’s he later on, he’s actually associated with Zeus, you know, in the time of the of time of the Greece and the Romans.
He was the king of the kingdom like us. He’s the first one.
He’s like that first spirit that comes in. He don’t and and and then he brings his friends.
And so in the Bible, it says it says he caused Israel to forget god.
So so he so what’s happening is there’s a spirit that has caused America to forget god, to forget that it ever knew god.
You know, if you knew back then in the sixties where if people knew where it was gonna end up, you know, what what’s the thing is this?
These are pagan gods or pagan spirits.
So what they come to a Christian nation, their mission is to take a turn a nation that is called Christian and turn it into a pagan nation.
Paganizing. That is what we have been watching for the last half century.
When you’re saying what’s going on, that’s what’s going on.
And it even says he caused he caused Israel to turn away from the commandments.
We literally have struck down the 10 commandments in America.
We we banned it the spirit of bail is in all these things.
We are watching we are watching this nation and this civilization becoming pagan.
And you have written many times, Jonathan, and really many of your books about the parallels between Israel’s trajectory with the lord and trajectory with the lord are are shared destities in some ways.
So I guess it’s no surprise to you, obviously, that Some of the same problems that plagued the ancient Israel are now plaguing America.
Yeah. When a with a harbinger in the other books, it’s speaking about the signs that happen now.
This is speaking about the actual spirits that are in there and they’re in America now.
And and it actually goes deep because because the the process of bail taking a taking possession of a culture is that he that the the the it’s deep because for instance, in the pagan world, you had many gods.
You didn’t have one god. So you didn’t have one truth. You had many truths.
You have you can make your own you can make your idol. I created my own reality.
That is what we are watching when people says, your truth. My truth.
If I say, If I say I’m a tree, you have to accept that.
Yes.
Because there’s no truth because that’s pagan. That is totally pagan.
I get and and when you also take away god, everything becomes god. Sex becomes god. Nature becomes god.
Ideology becomes god. This is behind Wokism. This is behind, I mean, even behind I won’t get into it.
We won’t talk. But in ancient mystery linked to our our addiction to computers. Computers are linked to this.
Uh, uh, virtual reality, New Age. All this is linked to bail.
And the pagan is the the paganizing of America.
19 sixties, the door was really open to this, Jonathan.
Did bail uh, the sign of the possessor physical sign Yeah. Did it manifest itself in America?
Yeah. Right near here. Yeah. Right? Near here.
And we’re in New York City. Just a reminder.
Yeah. This is the one of the the signs of bail actually was a bull, a bronze bull.
All over all over the the all over Israel was the it was a sign and it was linked to, you know, they went to bail because they said, well, you’re gonna help us be prosperous.
You’re gonna help our fields Well, what happened is in a in the 19 eighties, a sign appeared right near here, they are they put down.
They laid out it was a massive, massive bronze bull, the sign of bail, and the sign in the Bible of a nation that once knew god, and has now turned away from god and is now subject to to bail.
And right by Wall Street, by the financial debt, which is about prosperity, we call it a bull market.
That’s a bail market. You know, you know, and so and so and there and there’s so there’s actually a won’t go into it because we don’t have the time.
But even even a a part of Bale Temple was recreated and erected right near where we are in New York City and in Washington.
We’re talking about the dark trinity. Yes. The possessor bailed.
Number 1, The second member of this dastardly trio, the enchantress. Yes.
Tell us about her.
Yeah. Actually, in in Kainanat mythology, she is known as the the wife or lover of bail, but she appears every she appears in the Bible as she’s called a start or or actually Ash Toreth, Oshtohra.
Oshshtohra. And you see Bail and Oshshtohra. And and then that order The
pole. See, Ashth pole. Yeah. Or worship.
Yeah. Yeah. So first is Bail then comes Oshshtohra. And what was she? Well, she’s known as ishtar as well.
She’s also known as when she went to Greece, she became aphrodite.
She became Venus, but it’s very dark dark thing.
She was the goddess of sexual immorality, sexuality, divorce from marriage.
She was actually known as the great harlot, the prostitute goddess, And so when she came comes into a culture, what’s gonna happen?
What what we expect that as bail comes in, the turning from god first.
Then we would expect something to happen to sexuality, a revolution. And that’s exactly what happens starting in the sixties.
The sexual revolution starts This is the power.
This is the the principality that will seek to possess a nation by turning the Christian sexual values, um, um, values of marriage, into pagan sexual values.
That’s exactly what we have been witnessing ever since. So this starts taking over our culture. It’s the second part.
And it goes deep.
The enchantress is is a goddess of prostitution Yes.
As
you describe in the book, John. Yes.
A goddess of drunkenness, even, and and many main devices, but all coming back to to sex, promiscuity, and gender confusion, and gender madness.
Gonna get to that. Yeah. It’s gonna get to that. Yeah.
So she but it starts first with taking sex out of marriage. Remember, she’s the prostitute. Got it.
So what does the prostitute do? Take sex out of marriage. Puts it into the marketplace.
Puts it into the cultured. So we’re watching the sexualization of America and of the west.
And what that means is she was, you know, she was detrimental to marriage. So we’re watching marriage become weakened.
We’re watching marriages getting destroyed. Broken homes, broken children because that’s what it does.
But even I’ll give you a little mystery here that that and again, we can only touch on the things that are in the book.
But the the word for the prostitute back then in Greek is the word Pornay or Porn We get pornography actually comes from this goddess.
The first pornography was from her.
She put did you put the images of naked women She also the porn pornographic literature came from her.
We talk about the word erotic of happening to to the world.
Well, well, that comes from the Greek word eros Eros was was a god who was born of this goddess.
It all comes back.
One last member of that dark trinity, the destroyer before we go about a minute before the great Jonathan, who is the destroyer?
It always it goes right in progression. 1st turning from god, then sexual sexual immorality.
Then what happens is they Israel started offering up their children as sacrifices to the gods, particularly the god monarch.
And moloch is the destroyer. And so what what this is a pagan thing.
This was common in the pagan world, but what it means is if we are continually following these gods, If they are coming back, if we are being paganized, we’re gonna end up actually offering up our own children.
And like clockwork, it happens We legalize abortion.
We have killed 60,000,000 children, and we won’t have time to go into the mystery.
But even when you look at the bring it out in the book that the ancient ways of offering up the children to Mole and to Yeah.
Are actually being reproduced right now without even people realizing.
I mean, it’s unbelievable that that people should know, Jonathan, what went on in ancient times and and during bible times Yeah.
Malek, this idol, people literally would sacrifice their children. Yeah. It the Bible called it passing through the fire.
Yes. Yeah.
I mean, and and you detail it.
Yeah. Yeah. It it’s the same way it happened with priests. I mean, we have our own form of priests.
Same way. Actually, actually, more poor children, uh, uh, basically minorities were killed because of this god, and it’s happening the same way here.
It’s it’s following like clockwork. It it’s it’s we could say, how could they ever do that? We’re doing it.
Where follow-up. The these are this is what the Gods do.
This is what the pagan world did, and that’s what we’re doing. And 60,000,000. Yes.
60,000,000 here in the US.